How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

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How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby GrillNewbie » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:46 pm

<sigh>...... :(


I'm just not "getting" how to achieve lower temps in my new Kamado Joe. Yes. I've watched the vids and they are not very informative, IMHO. I just can't find a good tutorial for the KJ that explains how to use the upper and lower vents in conjunction with each other..


For you guys that cook with a KJ (or BGE, which seems to work identically), what do you set your bottom vent opening and your top vents ?

Does the bottom vent controll a certain aspect of the temp and the top another ?

I'm getting flusterated............


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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby Ross » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:44 pm

Hey, Steve: Virtually every new kamado owner here on the forum has expressed frustration on how to acheive a low and slow fire on their kamados. Bottom line is it takes many burns to acheive the seasoning to get adequate air tightness in most all kamados. Here is a link with a great piece by Philpon on how to start a fire in your kamado for low and slow cooks. I know he is explaining based upon an Akorn Kamado. However, the same principles should apply for a KJ. I would encourage you to try his suggestions. Also, I would encourage you to try a real long low and slow, like a pork shoulder, for like about 8+ hours. During the cook, don't have overly high expectations. Set a goal of maintaining a long consistent temp of 300 degrees, or slightly less. After a few successes at 300 degrees, and as your cooker gets well seasoned, aim lower. For a brand new ceramic kamado, put in a good amount of lump charcoal, but only light about two or three pieces. place those two or three pieces on top of the unlit. wait for the temp to get up to about 150-170 degrees. Then, shut both vents almost all the way, just leave about a quarter inch crack on the bottom, the same, or less on top. It takes a lot of patience, but once you get it, it is very rewarding.
Good luck, Steve!
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby Motley Que » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:55 pm

You can achieve low and slow by reading the instructions on the KJ website. I'm sure they are in your manual too!
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby matt » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:29 pm

For L&S the bottom and top should be barely open. I'm cooking right now and my bottom door is open about the thickness of a coin and my top wheel vent is open just a crack.
When I do L&S I start my fire in one spot rather than use a chimney. I let the temp come up gradually to avoid over shooting. Also, when you make adjustments, give it time to adjust. It can a while (10+ min) for small tweaks to balance out. Don't worry, you'll get it. Its just a matter of practice.
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby matt » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:23 am

I just put up a quick video for the low & slow I'm doing right now. If you advance to the last bit you'll see the setting I'm using at 225F. Keep in mind that as the cook progress you'll probably have to tweek. I find if I get low on lump at the end I have to open the bottom vent up more to keep temp. good luck and may the joe be with you :lol:

sorry, I've been up all night.
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby GrillNewbie » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:40 pm

matt wrote:I just put up a quick video for the low & slow I'm doing right now. If you advance to the last bit you'll see the setting I'm using at 225F. Keep in mind that as the cook progress you'll probably have to tweek. I find if I get low on lump at the end I have to open the bottom vent up more to keep temp. good luck and may the joe be with you :lol:

sorry, I've been up all night.




:arrow: Link please !! :mrgreen:



It's prolly around here somewhere..I just haven't figured out which forum is for what... I would kiss you/anyone if they could show me the lower and upper grate openings/closings...


One could exchange the kiss for a cold beer of choice. :mrgreen:
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby matt » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:10 pm

doh... sorry I was pretty tired when I posted...

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/101013464310591229380/albums/5774849710105610929/5775033071495276802

that should take you to the video.
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby Toe » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:24 pm

The most obvious part is finding the right vent settings, which will vary depending on your particular grill and things like how windy it is. The less obvious parts are one, only light a small part of your coals at once, and two, remember that settling a kamado into a particular temperature is like stopping a semi - you've gotta brake early and gradually.
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby CVW » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:36 pm

Kamado Joe has some regulars on Facebook that can help and even people that are part of the company. They can help you with any problems.
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby Motley Que » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:46 pm

@grillnewbie.

As I posted before

The EXACT info you are seeking is available on the KJ website.
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby GrillNewbie » Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:16 am

Motley Que wrote:@grillnewbie.

As I posted before

The EXACT info you are seeking is available on the KJ website.



No, it is not. The videos are infomercials with generic, not specific information.

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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby matt » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:17 am

GrillNewbie wrote:
Motley Que wrote:@grillnewbie.

As I posted before

The EXACT info you are seeking is available on the KJ website.



No, it is not. The videos are infomercials with generic, not specific information.

Thanks.


When I started, I used the manual to guide my settings.
Page 9 for L&S

http://kamadojoe.com/downloads_public/KJ_MANUAL_CLASSIC_EN.pdf

Yah, the videos aren't much more than sales fluff...
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby GrillNewbie » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:29 am

Good morning, Matt ! I watched your video a few times...man that meat looked good ! I payed close attention to your openings and am at it already this morning. Thanks for the vid and link !!

I started with the "volcano"... It slowly rose to 160 and I cut the bottom vent to about a 2" opening, closed the top vent and left the daisy wheel 100%. At 200, I closed the bottom vert to about 3/4" and the daisy to about 80% open. My temps shot right past 225, 245, 265, 275...I'm at 287 and still trying to reel the temp back....<sigh>.... I have the bottom vent at about 3/8" and the daisy at about 50%.. I'm using a digital thermometer laying on the grate. The KJ therm is off (+) 50F at low temps but it is pretty close right now, now that I'm at 295...<sigh>......

I'm going to quit staring at the Joe for a while now.... it doesn't seem to be helping any.. :?
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby GrillNewbie » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:34 am

Oh, I read the manual a dozen times but it too, is kinda' generic. It says to adjust the vents in small increments, which is true...but...small increments from what starting point, 25% open is REALLY open and allows high temps. I know that no two cookers are 100% the same but a general/closer, real life, starting point in either % open/closed or a number system would be nice.

I'm not complaining...just an observation...or perhaps a future suggestion to KJ is all.


I have 3 slabs of BB's that have to be on by 10... looks like they'll be cooked "fast-n-furious" instead of "low-n-slow".. :lol:
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Re: How Do I Achieve Low~n~Slow Temps In My KJ Kamado ?

Postby Tuckerjr » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:17 am

Newbie your vent starting point is way to high in my opinion. If I am shooting for low & slow on my Char Griller model top/bottom range being 1-5. I might start bottom at 2-2.5 depending if it is windy. The top I might start around 2.5-3. For example if I am shooting for 250 at around 170 I move bottom to 1 & top to 1.5-2. As temp rises I play with it in 1/8-1/4 inch increments. To me your letting it get out of control right out of the gate. Give yourself an hour before meat goes on & let you cooker temp come up very slowly. Quit trying to rush up to your target temp & you will have better results.
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